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    James Madison and the Gathering Storm Prophecy

    James Madison and the Gathering Storm Prophecy




    While the States were considering ratifying the Constitution, James Madison describes a prophetic ‘gathering storm’, doomsday scenario for the United States. However, his description was hypothetical and purportedly unlikely. Madison paints a picture of what the union would look like under healthy conditions and then contrasts that with terminal conditions that would destroy the union. His portrayal is fascinating and worth applying today.

    In Federalist Paper 46, Madison discusses the happy and healthy situation where the Federal and State governments respect their constitutional boundaries. Madison says, “[the federal government will] be disinclined to invade the rights of the individual States, or the prerogatives of their governments”. Congress would be the “guardians of a common interest” and would not make “improper sacrifices…of local considerations, to the aggrandizement of the federal government”.

    Madison continues, “the motives on the part of the States governments, to augment their prerogatives…will be overruled by no reciprocal predispositions in the members [of Congress].” In other words, the States will not want to intrude into federal authority because the Federal government will not intrude in State territory. In this “constitutional ideal”, Madison sees everyone respecting the authority of the other.

    Madison then shifts his discussion to the hypothetical “what if”. He says, “[w]ere it admitted, however, that the Federal government may feel an equal disposition with the State governments to extend its power beyond the due limits, the [States] would still have the advantage in the means of defeating such encroachments” (emphasis added). Such means of defeating the federal government’s encroachments included actions like, “opposition”, “refusal to cooperate”, “frowns of the [State] executive”, “obstructions”, “signals of general alarm”, and “plans of resistance”.

    Keep in mind, Madison’s description of “resistance” was made in context of a healthy, working union where the constitution remained and the amiable bonds of union were intact. The result of such conflicts within Federalism would ultimately be resolved through diplomacy where the people’s weight determined the outcome.

    Madison furthers his “what if” hypothetical by describing a federal government that pursued “ambitious encroachments”. Madison predicts such usurpations would result in the same response “as was produced by the dread of a foreign, yoke”—namely, independence from the usurping government. However, Madison cannot fathom such an event taking place; he says, “[b]ut what degree of madness could ever drive the federal government to such an extremity.” Madison feels such actions would be advanced by madmen, not fellow patriots.

    Still, Madison answers his own question (for the sake of appeasing his audience) when he describes the (implausible) circumstances ripe for this tyranny. Madison says, the “only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition…[I]t [is not] necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger” (emphasis added).

    Madison finds it unimaginable that the federal government could and would accumulate a military force capable and for the purpose of subduing the people and States. Madison bases his conclusion on these presumptions:

    “(1) the people and the States [will not] elect…men ready to betray both; (2) [there will be no] traitors…[to] uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; (3) the governments and the people of the States [will not] silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads…(4) [and further] the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger [through militias]” (emphasis and numbers added).

    So here we are in 2011. Our world is not James Madison’s world. Are Madison’s presumptions correct today? Is the U.S. military incapable of subduing the States? Do the people elect only patriots, and not traitors? Do the States have the capability of successfully protecting themselves against opposing military? Are the people capable of forecasting a gathering storm?

    Reasonable persons would conclude, the U.S. military is more than capable of subduing the States; the people do elect traitors to office; and the States have no adequate means of defending themselves against opposing military force—from whatever source. (If someone has evidence to the contrary, let us see it.)

    Now that the National Defense Authorization Act is law (see my previous articles on NDAA, here and here), Madison’s “gathering storm” scenario is more real than ever. So, how are the States to protect themselves from enemies domestic and foreign (as they have a constitutional duty to do—see, Art. 1, Sec. 3)? Is this an inappropriate question? If so, let us see the reason.


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    Hell no, this country is full of Traitors, starting with this fake president forsure, followed by every Judicial seat within the Supreme court. Every law maker (most) on Capitol Hill, every State Senator and Congress man. Most Governors (most). The list could go on and on forever and a day. But, I learned very young the Government was never to be any bigger than it was during Jefferson's years. What happened, guess we all went to sleep along time ago. Now is the time to awake and make some serious changes, take OUR government back NOW!!!! Oooops, I forgot we can't step on anyone's toes. The Liberals might get hurt.
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    Well i like posting these kind of things cause apparently many still are under the false guise that our very so called Nations Leaders are not at all in any way on the side of the Citizens of this land (period)

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    That's a joke. These citizens need to face reality, Obammy one more term and we are done for. Period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedevilmom View Post
    That's a joke. These citizens need to face reality, Obammy one more term and we are done for. Period!
    I think you could be right! Reminds me of a quote. Nikita Khrushchev addressing the UN in 1960 said this:

    "America will fall without a shot being fired. It will fall from within."
    The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others.
    Adolf Hitler

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    "One singleobject...(will merit) the endless gratitude of Society: that of restraining the Judges from usurping legislation" -T. Jefferson-
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    Jeffcoat, you know that this is true. Obammy has put in his own Justices, he will get his way. I'll have to post a e-mail a friend of mine sent me. And I do believe this is going to happen.
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    Ok, here is the e-mail and I do believe this is real. He has always acted like he is the Messiah(anti-christ) in my book. Could this be America’s last Presidential election?
    Michael Savage:

    I've asked this question to a number of people and most them respond as if I were crazy for asking. They tell me that this is America, land of the free and that there will always be elections. I tell them that we are no longer the land of the free and that if Obama gets re-elected in 2012, that this just may be America's last election.

    In the past three years, the Obama administration has been very carefully crafting the nation for a political take over by his Marxist regime and this isn’t just my opinion.
    Popular radio talk show host Michael Savage is the son of Russian immigrants and is very familiar with Soviet and European history. Savage warned his listeners this week saying, "I have to tell you that if this man, God forbid, is the next president of the United States, we're going to be living in something along the lines of - people say Europe. I don't believe it's going to be like Europe - I think it will be closer to Chavez's South American dictatorship.

    This is the most corrupt, incompetent, dangerous tyrannical administration in American history. It's not politics as usual. It's not just Democrats versus Republicans. Obama has a long history of being at odds with American values and with America itself and the core principles of this country. They don't want government-sponsored opinions. They only want government-sponsored Pravada. That's exactly what the government media complex tells you on a daily basis nothing but the government media complex party line. Pay attention. Your freedom may be at stake.

    Over the weekend, Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum told a small group of people in an Iowa coffee house that, "Barack Obama is not incompetent, ladies and gentleman. He knows exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it. He sees America differently than you see America."

    Obama has gone out of his way to divide this country in a way I haven't seen since the Great Depression when Franklin Roosevelt went around to divide his country. That's his hero. What makes America great (in Obama's mind) is that the government takes money from somebody and gives it to somebody else. No, that's what makes America, France.

    With his control over the Executive and Judicial branches of the government, the stage is set for a complete takeover of the government. Think about it.

    Since taking office, instead of helping the economy, Obama has purposely escalated the economic crisis by plunging the country into unprecedented debt. He has a number of programs that are designed to go into effect in January 2013, just in time for his second term of office. The economic burden and increased taxes on everyone will be enough to cause the final economic collapse of this country. As soon as that happens, Obama declares Martial Law and assumes dictatorial control of the nation.

    The Department of Justice has already been subverting federal laws to strip us of a number of freedoms. The Supreme Court and many of the other federal courts have been seeded with socialistic liberal judges that will rule in Obama's favor on virtually anything, ending constitutional rule and law.

    He's already changing the face of America's military. Allowing homosexuals to openly serve along with changing the retirement program which is causing many conservative military leaders to resign commissions and leave the military. Some Pentagon officials are also noting that an increase in the enlistment of radical Muslims into the U.S. Military where they get all the training they need on weapons and defense systems. We have no idea how many of them there are in the armed forces or in what positions they may hold.

    Obama has been wielding executive powers this past year as if he were already a dictator. When Congress is not doing his bidding, he simply bypasses them and used an executive order to accomplish it anyway. This has set the stage for his disbanding of Congress. He would not be the first world leader to take control of a nation and disband the legislative branch of government.

    He has been effectively using the media to anesthetize the public to the dangers he poses. Like a patient being prepped for surgery, people are numb to the changes and won't have a clue what took place until they wake up in recovery and realize that free America has been removed and replaced with a regime that may parallel those of Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Chavez and Castro.

    For the sake of our children and grandchildren, and their children and grandchildren, I earnestly pray that we are spared from what seems a certain future and that Obama is overwhelmingly defeated in 2012.
    Otherwise, heaven help us.

    PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESSES!

    OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED IN 2012
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    This current Administration along with prior ones has led to this very (quote) that "ALL" Americans should hold close to mind when thinking about our present Tyrannts powers growing...

    "When ever the Legislature endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a State of WAR with the people, who are there upon absolved from any further obedience." -John Locke-
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    Everyone one needs to really take a deep breath and a long look at were we have headed and where we are headed! This is what our children, grandchildren will be living. Not the life I want for my people any where in this would. And not definitely here in America.
    Gen. Geo. S Patton quote. Now I want you to remember no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his.

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